By Lissa Lucas
As I tried to give my remarks at the public hearing this morning on HB4268 in defense of our constitutional property rights, I got dragged out of House chambers.
Why? Because I was listing out who has been donating to Delegates on the Judiciary Committee.
This is, of course, public information.
Allow me to point out that if Delegates genuinely think that my talking about who their campaign donors are—and how much they’re receiving from corporate lobbyists/corporate PACs—is an ad hominem attack… then they should be refusing those donations.
Yeah, refuse any donation that, if someone mentions it, makes you feel personally attacked.
Because that’s not an attack. That’s guilt. And you SHOULD be feeling that. Let that guilt about who you’re really working for inform your votes; don’t let the corporate money do it.
Watch the video, then read my remarks as prepared
Here is the vid
You may not be able to hear it very well, but I ended with a shout of…
Montani Semper Liberi!
I veered from the prepared remarks almost immediately… because I followed Woody Thrasher, who predictably said, more or less, “But we have to let corporations steal from mineral owners, because JOBS!”
(I paraphrase… but not that much.)
Prepared Remarks
I’m Lissa Lucas from beautiful Ritchie County, WV, right in the front lines of the Marcellus. I’m a mineral owner. And I’m here to tell you that ALL of us, no matter our party, want our property rights protected. The attack on property rights is an assault on rural people, and it goes against both party platforms.
While lobbyists have the money to buy your time at fancy gatherings like the Wine and Whisky gala at the Marriott on Wednesday—members of the public have been allotted just about 2 minutes each to make the case for our rights, so I’ll just have time to talk about four delegates.
CHARLOTTE LANE – Kanawha County (D35) $9,500/$48,770 about 20%
Delegate Lane has received money from
1. AEP $2,000.00
2. MARATHON $2,000.00
3. FIRSTENERGY $2,000.00
4. DOMINION $1,500.00
5. EQT $1,000.00 << 5 of the top 6
6. SOUTHWESTERN ENERGY $500.00
7. NEXTERA ENERGY $250.00
8. WVOIL MARKETERS ASSOC. $250.00
9. TIMOTHY P ARMSTEAD CAMPAIGN CMTE – $150.00 I’ll get to why I’m mentioning him in a minute
NEXT LET’S TALK ABOUT
JOHN SHOTT Mercer (D27) – $11,250/$64,350 – about 17%
1. FIRSTENERGY $2,000.00
2. App Power $2,000.00
3. STEPTOE & JOHNSON $2,000.00 – Gas and oil Law firm
4. CONSOL ENERGY $1,000.00
6. EQT $1,000.00
7. MARATHON $1,000.00
8. DOMINION $1,000.00
9. NOBLE ENERGY $500.00
10. GOPAC $250.00
11. MARKWEST ENERGY $250.00
12. WV LAND & MINERAL OWNERS PAC $250.00 The WV Mineral Owners Coalition is AGAINST this bill. This PAC is unrelated appears to be a front for out-of-state resource barons and attorneys who represent the energy industry.
NOW LET’S TALK ABOUT
JASON HARSHBARGER (Ritchie D7) $3500/$9300 – 38%
1. Harshbarger – He works for Dominion, and donated $2k to his campaign. If you count that, he got 59% of his campaign cash from energy interests $5500/$9300 –
2. DOMINION $1,000.00
3. EQT CORP $500.00
4. FIRSTENERGY CORP $500.00
5. FREDRIK ERIC NELSON JR CAMPAIGN CMTE $500.00 (Delegate Nelson’s top donors are the same top donors as everyone I’ve spoken about here, and in fact he received $23K from anti-property rights corporations like Dominion, EQT, AEP.)
6. NEXTERA ENERGY $250.00
7. GOPAC $250.00
8. HALL, JASON & STEPHANIE (Hall Drilling) $250.00
9. WEST VIRGINIA OIL MARKETERS & GROCERS ASSOCIATION $150.00
10. ARMSTEAD FOR HOUSE 2014 $150
Delegates you cannot, without the appearance of impropriety—and likely without actual impropriety—vote for this bill.
For those watching online or in the gallery, if your delegate votes to give away your rights to their corporate donors, you should get behind a candidate who’ll work for YOU, rather than someone who is getting paid to hand over your property rights to corporations. Save for Del Harshbarger, there are Republicans challenging them in the primary, and a Democrat who will challenge the winner, so in most cases there’s someone no matter your political persuasion.
Full disclosure: There is a Democratic challenger for Harshbarger—that would be me. But I’m here to talk about the sale of our constitutional rights, not to campaign. So let’s move on to Delegate Armstead.
Armstead is not a member of this committee, but he’s the guy who makes committee assignments for his party. His donors include the usual suspects—AEP, EQT, Dominion, FirstEnergy, etc. He got nearly $20K ($19,550) from energy donors, about 21% of his total. He seated on this committee everyone I’ve just talked about, and people I haven’t been allotted the time to talk about. Yeah, he’s working for those same donors, too.
Delegates, voting to help the corporations that bought you is moral turpitude. And if y’all vote to enable Big Government to tell tax paying citizens what we can do with our own durn property, you can bet there will be people like me coming out of the woodwork to challenge you… and to make sure you either represent the people, or you get the hell out.


I love this! Thank you for speaking out against these corporations and the greedy representatives who they have in their back pockets. This state is continuing to allow the destruction of its natural beauty as well as taking away all of the rights of property owners. Disgusting!
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Amen well said
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Copy paste of my comment from reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident where this article was shared
While i fully support the move this lady made. Please watch the video its 2:30 long. And then note that this public hearing is to comment on the bill
In all frames. Listing names and then saying who pays them and how much does not address the bill itself and is an individual remark, outside the rules of the hearing.
The proper method to bring this issue to light while staying on form of the bill is this
X of the voting members for this bill were paid Y amount by Z corporations. Full lists and breakdowns are public information.
This bill is written in the interest of Z corporations. It benefits them by (List benefits) and harms normal people by (list harm’s) if this bill is passed its proof that X legislature members are bought and paid for and dont represent public opinion.
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Thank you!!!!!
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No man ANYWHERE is allowed to put his hands on a woman without her consent GET YOUR SELF A GOOD LAWYER LADY
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Thanks so much for your concern, I genuinely appreciate that you would worry for me. But that said, I assure you those guys were very professional, gentle, and super nice. They were firm but did not once make me feel any jeopardy. The fault is Delegate Shott’s for having them escort someone out for something like this. Outrageous! Shott should have just let me have my measly 1:45. There are a lot of people who couldn’t travel down there so early in the morning and I was doing my best to speak for them. We’re having a corporate invasion in my district and every damn one of our national representatives—and a good number of our state representatives—are working for the invaders. They spend hours talking to these slimy blackguards, yet won’t come and talk to the people who are being affected by this stuff. We need basic damn services, and they’re wasting time trying to give our property rights away. Our homes and farms are all most of us have in the world of value.
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Amsted is one corrupt individual. Good for you for calling them out !
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Go Girl!
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How does one arrange to speak before the legislator?
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This was a public hearing. So I drove to Charleston on the day, sat outside until they opened the doors, went through security, walked to the chamber, waited for the paperwork to arrive, then signed my name to a list of speakers and waited to be called.
You can do that for less than two minutes of time, or you can be a lobbyist with a bunch of money who throws a party for them at the Marriott
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Good for YOU !!!! I’m sharing this far and wide !!! I can only guess how much my Delegate is getting from BIG ENERGY !!!
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Lissa’s comments about campaign donations by gas and oil are totally appropriate in addressing HB4268 because our citizens have a right to know any potential influence by donors. That is not personal but PUBLIC information. Anyone who says that breaks the rules makes me suspect they are paid by gas and oil to do so.
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Lissa, Thank you for sharing this. It’s disgusting what these delegates are doing. Is there more to this list of delgates and donors? If not, where can I find out what my delegate took from donors?
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Scottie, you can find the site here (I linked it above, too, in the text): https://votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/103257/john-shott#.Wn7XIudOnIV
You can search out your delegates, but a little counter-intuitively (for me) it doesn’t take you anywhere until you choose a tab (like funding). So search for your rep, and then click a tab, and it should take you there.
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If I’ve said it once,I’ve said it a thousand times. People need to voice their opinion on politics,and term limits,and politicians accepting money from big companies. WV.and the U.S.needs to make a clean sweep come election time. Term limits will stop a lot of big business from running our political agenda. It would take a revolution to change things,but we have to start somewhere. If you don’t do anything else in your life,get out ,and vote against these career politicians. If not,you and your children will have to pay the price!
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These Delegates think they are Holier than you are nothing but Crooked politicians that will go to Church on Sunday, rub elbows with the Hypocrite Flock and think they are something. They will still
Be Crooked.
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Thank you for speaking out Lisa. I admire your determination and honesty. The way you were treated was not democratic. I look forward to learning more about you and your platform.
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Are you on actblue? Im sharing this far and eide, would like to give people a link to donate to your campaign.
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Yes, I am. You can find the links here.
Thanks so much! Even just $10 helps.
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Thank you for speaking up
You have listed out loud, PUBLIC INFORMATION of elected officials and the donor list therein! They’re afraid of you Ms Lucas and if I were you, I would sue the men who put their hands on you and forced you out. They had no right to touch you!! Bring them to court and make that public!!
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The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Delegate Shott, for sure. The guards were actually very professional, seemed apologetic, and didn’t hurt me or make me fear. I had chatted with some of them earlier, before the hearing (little thinking!). But please don’t blame them for Delegate Shott’s bad judgment. They don’t get paid nearly enough.
I really appreciate your concern for my safety, though. It’s tuching to think so many strangers were worried about me.
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Donated from CT. Wish I was closer and could volunteer for your campaign! Please be careful as you speak truth to power. Your peril will grow in proportion to your impact, and these folks play for keeps. Watch your back.
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It’s so nice of you to be concerned for me—thank you.
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That was incredible. You weren’t outing anyone’s personal business. This is on the record. They are so afraid of the truth, Lissa. Thank you!
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You’re awesome for this! I’m from New Jersey, but I think what you did here is worthy of a lot of praise. You properly informed the people and stood for the people. After highshool, I hope and plan to do exactly what you’re doing. 🙂
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Thanks so much, David! I hope you do great things in your life.
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Love this, please keep doing what you’re doing. I hope to be like you one day you’re very inspiring. Power to the people. Thank you (:
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You made it to the front page of reddit. If nothing else that should be further proof that what you’re doing is supported by the public. Keep fighting the good fight Lissa not Lisa!
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I know, this seems completely crazy to me!
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Seems all they accomplished by throwing you out was getting you the front page of Reddit and turning a local issue into one seen worldwide.
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Seriously! If he’d just allowed me the last 20-some seconds (or however much I had left), I don’t think it would ever have made the papers. It’s not like I’d found new information no one else had ever heard before, something that no one else could find unless I spoke it aloud. It wasn’t deep investigative reporting. It was info based on their own campaign finance reporting.
It’s like our legislators don’t think things through, hm….
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Copy pasting a quote from the reddit thread –
*”When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”*
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I love this!
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Thank YOU! This is something they are afraid of, public information. Thank you for making this come to light.
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I’m on your side Lisa, i want you to succeed. So one piece of advice, learn the rules of decorum for your chambers! they kicked you out on a technicality (which is what they really are there for).
Try something like “I think it’s relevant to this bill to investigate the backers of this project. Public information shows tens of thousands of dollars donated by these special interests to the members of this committee..”
In my state, when they refer to each other, it’s always “the gentleman from the 40th district”, etc. you”’
I hope you get major kudos for
Persisting
Adapting
Using their own language against them
Thanks for your efforts =)
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Thanks for the good advice, and for the kind words.
Before the hearing started, they gave us a little primer: “no personal attacks” (also things like, “when your name is called, sit here…”). They didn’t say “no names.” If they had—or if Shott had interrupted to explain that the rules require I say “the gentleman from the Xth,”—I could easily have complied. I had the districts written down in my remarks, too.
I actually wasn’t sure if I’d be able to get everything read out in time, but I intended to stop when my time was called… because believe it or not, I’m sort of a rules-follower.
But… I have real trouble respecting authority that’s abused. He called it a personal attack, and it was no attack.
If in fact the issue was that I was using names rather than numbers, I wonder if they’ll improve the instructions for members of the public next time? And to be snarky ( because sometimes I can’t help myself ) my guess is that he probably allows his lobbyist buddies call him John when he’s whisky-ing it up with them. Ha!
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Thank you Lissa!
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“If you cut out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say”.
Yes, it was ridiculous of them to throw you out without letting you finish. But honestly, they shot themselves in the leg by doing that. The fact that they threw you out makes people want to know what you were going to say, because obviously they don’t want us to hear it. Good work!!
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Yes… Delegate Shott couldn’t have done a better job of bringing attention to the issue if he had stood up and read the names and dollar amounts himself. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment.
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Well done, a brave action.
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Fight the power. Regards from Spain.
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You rock!! Don’t give up. Not really informed on the issues of the bill, but from your statements, the video, and the comment not too far from the top, I think you are very courageous, and if you get another shot at Shotte, using the XYZ method above you can totally stick it to him and he can’t try to stop you under those terms again.
You’re a real, every day hero. Thanks so much for the inspiration!!
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That’s so kind of you. Thank you.
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The corporate take over of America is pretty much complete. It needs good honest people like yourself to try and take it back before they change the laws to crush any counter movement completely. Donated.
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Thanks so much!
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You, my lady, are the definition of a true patriot. Those other delegates who hate sunlight on their activities are not. They can stand on their head and spit corporate donation quarters in denial, but people like YOU are the ones who make America great and they are the people who make the cesspool we’re all mired in.
I’ve never heard of you before today (linked from the Huffington Post) but if Dems can get more people like you to run, we can take back this country from some very bad (and enormously greedy) people. I’d love to run but I live in a very blue district in a very blue state and my reps all vote the way I wish they would.
So for your effort and inspiring courage, I’m donating to your campaign – and I’m emailing the HuffPo article and the link to your blog to everyone on my mailing list.
You go girl!
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Lissa
Thank you for standing up for the land and it’s people. Money has destroyed much of this beautiful state. The people and the land are worth far more than mere dollars.
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Thanks, Marlena!
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You’re a boss!
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Brava! Brava! Thank You for bringing Integrity to the House. You have brought good news to the People by fighting the good fight. Thank You for inspiring many more positive future actions. Do not stop, Queen Lissa. To the game changers! Yes!
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I’m not even from your country , I visit all the time tho, and this is amazing work you are doing! Keep holding those in power responsible!
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You are a hero, Lissa. Keep shining.
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brave 🙂
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You are not alone. We the people stand with you!
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My new hero. This quote comes to mind, “Stand before the people you fear, and speak your mind – even if your voice shakes.” – Maggie Kuhn
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Good for you! You are a heroine!
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I just found your video on Reddit. We need more people like you to do exactly what you are doing. It takes guts to stand up there and speak the truth.
This isn’t a partisan issue- Politicians on both sides of the aisle take bribes from lobbyists to pass certain pieces of legislation. And this needs to end, period. Our country and our states are not for sale. This is not a game of monopoly. If you’re rich, buy a yacht. Buy a mansion. Buy a private island. But don’t try to buy my government.
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